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High Times issue is September 1977.

HST on:

the role of the President:

Well, I think the feeling that I've developed since '72 is that an ideological

attachment to the presidency or the president is very dangerous. I think the

president should be a businessman; probably he should be hired. It started with

Kennedy, where you got sort of a personal attachment to the president, and it

was very important that he agree with you and you agree with him and you knew

he was on your side. I no longer give a f--k if the president's on my side, as long

as he leaves me alone or doesn't send me off to any wars or have me busted.

The president should take care of business, mind the f--king store and leave

people alone.

on Jimmy Carter:

I think I've lost my sense that it's a life or death matter whether someone is

elected to this, that or whatever. Maybe it's losing faith in ideology or politicians -

or maybe both. Carter, I think, is an egomaniac, which is good because he has a

hideous example of what could happen if he f--ks up. I wouldn't want to follow

Nixon's act, and Carter doesn't either. He has a whole chain of ugly precedents

to make him careful - Watergate, Vietnam, The Bay of Pigs - and I think he's very

aware that even the smallest blunder on his part could mushroom into something

that would queer his image forever in the next generation's history texts...if there

is a next generation.

I'm not saying this in defense of the man, but only to emphasize that anybody

in Congress or anywhere else who plans to cross Jimmy Carter should take

pains to understand the real nature of the beast they intend to cross. He's on a

very different wavelength than most people in Washington. That's one of the

main reasons he's president, and also one of the first things I noticed when I met

him in Georgia in 1974 - a total disdain for political definition or conventional

ideologies.

His concept of populist politics is such a strange mix of total pragmatism and

almost religious idealism that every once in a while - to me at least, and

especially when I listen to some of the tapes of conversations I had with him in

1974 and '75 - that he sounds like a borderline anarchist...which is probably why

he interested me from the very beginning; and why he still does, for that matter.

Jimmy Carter is a genuine original...He won't keep any enemies list on paper; but

only because he doesn't have to; he has a memory like a computerized elephant.

Compared to most other politicians, I do still like Carter. Whether I agree with

him on everything, that's another thing entirely. He'd put me in jail in an instant if

he saw me snorting coke in front of him. He would not, however, follow me into

the bathroom and try to catch me snorting it. It's little things like that.

on Garry Trudeau:

RR: Did Garry Trudeau consult you before he started including you as the

Uncle Duke character in "Doonesbury"?

HT: No. I never saw him; I never talked to him. It was a hot, nearly blazing day

in Washington, and I was coming down the steps of the Supreme Court looking

for somebody, Carl Wagner or somebody like that. I'd been inside the press

section, and then all of a sudden I saw a crowd of people and I heard them

saying, "Uncle Duke," I heard the words Duke, Uncle; it didn't seem to make any

sense. I looked around, and I recognized people who were total strangers

pointing at me and laughing. I had no idea what the f--k they were talking about. I

had gotten out of the habit of reading funnies when I started reading the Times. I

had no idea what this outburst meant.. It was a weird experience, and as it

happened I was sort of by myself up there on the sitars, and I thought: "What in

the f--k madness is going on? Why am I being mocked by a gang of strangers

and friends on the steps of the Supreme Court? Then I must have asked

someone, and they told me that Uncle Duke had appeared in the Post that

morning.

why he didn't cover the 1976 campaign:

I was going to write a book on the '76 campaign, but even at the time I was

doing research, I started to get nervous about it. I knew if did another book on the

campaign, I'd somehow be trapped.

I was the most obvious journalist - coming off my book on the 1972 campaign -

to inherit Teddy White's role as a big-selling chronicler of presidential campaigns.

I would have been locked into national politics as a way of life, not to mention as

a primary source of income..And there's no way you can play that kind of

Washington Wizard role from a base in Woody Creek, I'd have had to move to

Washington, or at least to New York...and, Jesus, life is too short for that kind of

volunteer agony. I've put a lot of work into living out here where I do and still

making a living, and I don't want to give it up unless I absolutely have to. I moved

to Washington for a year in 1972, and it was a nightmare.

Yeah, there was a definite temptation to write another campaign book -

especially for a vast amount of money in advance - but even white I was looking

at all that money, I knew it would be a terminal mistake. It wasn't until I actually

began covering the campaign that I had to confront the reality of what I was

getting into. I hadn't been in New Hampshire two days when I knew for certain

that I just couldn't make it. I was seeing my footprints everywhere I went. All the

things that were of interest last time - even the s all things, the esoteric little

details of a presidential campaign - seemed like jibberish the second time

around. Plus, I lost what looks more and more like a tremendous advantage of

anonymity. That was annoying, because in '72 I could stand against a wall

somewhere - and I'd select some pretty weird walls to stand against - and

nobody knew who I was. But in '76, Jesus, at press conferences, I had to sign

more autographs than the candidates.

Through some strange process, I came from the '72 campaign an unknown

reporter, a vagrant journalist, to a sort of media figure in the '76 campaign. It

started getting so uncomfortable and made it so hard to work that even the

alleged or apparent access that I had to this weird peanut farmer from Georgia

became a disadvantage.

working with the Secret Service:

No, I made my peace with the secret service early in '72 when I went to a party

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